Bad Reviews

1 year ago | TheAdamBo (Member)

Okay, so I know these weren't my stories being reviewed, but I still think marksiwel should be banned from posting any more reviews. Frankly, those aren't reviews, they're a bunch of insults cobbled together with a "clever" headline.

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  1. GeneralRincewind (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I don't think they're that bad, just that he should remove the personal insults from the reviews. The rest of the review reads more like a very caustic summary of the bad points of the start of the serial, which I personally think is totally valid(Especially the Delver LLC review, which matched up with it's flaws, from what I can remember, (maybe a bit too exaggerated, but the gist is still similar), minus the personal insults at the end).

  2. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    On one hand, Free Speech is one of the things I hold as sacrosanct, long as you're not advocating the harm of others or outright lying.

    On the other hand? This is an obvious troll being obvious and troll-y. His profile reads- and I quote- "I hate you Josh, Gonna fuck your lady". Which leaves me wondering who Josh is. Guessing that's the name of Blaise Corvin, who wrote both the reviews marksiwel trashed. Clearly speaks of a personal grudge. Which I am opposed to. Because I believe strongly in journalistic (even amateur journalism) integrity.

    On the left foot? This guy's idiocy makes me want to read these stories just to see why someone so obviously unhinged hates them. They're so deliciously absurd that I kinda want to get him to trash my story next for the amusement value alone. Who doesn't enjoy a good roast, right?

    Author of Price.
  3. FrustratedEgo (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    From the Freedom of Speech Wiki...

    Governments restrict speech with varying limitations. Common limitations on speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, political correctness, public security, public order, public nuisance, campaign finance reform, perjury, and oppression.

    Sounds like fighting words to me. Them's fighting words!

    That being said, I've had reviews that outright attack me on RoyalRoadL, and gave all of them a thumbs up because they amused me. So it's really kind of in the mind of the story owner isn't it? At least until the person doing those reviews is 'toxic' to the community.

    In addition, banning or removing a user prone to these types of reviews rarely does anything but incite even more efforts to lash out. They'll just come back as a different user and be 50% more active.

  4. TheAdamBo (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I disagree, FrustratedEgo. Freedom of speech is one thing, but we still need to hold ourselves and others to a higher standard. Professionalism is more important than flinging your opinions around like a drunk redneck with a machine gun. If I went to open mic night at a karaoke club and, instead of singing, decided to voice my political opinions to the audience, would my freedom of speech keep me from being pulled off stage and probably thrown out of the club? Likewise, there are ways to write negative reviews for stories you don't like without resorting you "this should be set on fire and dropped on @$%#ing ISIS lolololololololol!" There is literally no constructive criticism anywhere in any of his reviews, just insults. "Even his girlfriend can't read it." Really? His next review's probably going to say "I @#$%ed you mom, f@ggot!!"

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  5. TheAdamBo (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    And, since this is kind of on topic, here's a list someone made of times it's okay to disregard negative reviews:
    http://www.goblinscomic.com/fourteen-ways-to-spot-a-bad-critic/

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  6. Dary (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I found the complaint about grammar, in a review littered with grammatical errors, absolutely hilarious. The phrase "nonsense anime bullshit" also tickled me.

  7. FrustratedEgo (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I'm sorry, I didn't make my stance clear or somehow lead to an erroneous conclusion resulting from linking the freedom of speech portion.

    Should utterly useless reviews with clearly inflammatory wording be deleted? Of course; which is what it states in the Freedom of Speech content I linked. Moderating anything outright toxic is well within the rights of the site or anywhere else on the internet despite the free speech point by TanaNari - which he later says has clear limits - which I also thought I clearly implied by showing the limits applied by governments. It just requires reading the rest of the paragraph.

    These reviews have obscenity, incitement, fighting words, disturb public order, can be considered a public nuisance, all of which have precedence for being moderated by those in control.

    That being said any feedback in any form (Read: attention in any form) around these parts is super hard to come by unless you're one of the constant top fictions (Worm, or lately Iron Teeth). At least someone found the fiction and read through it. That still means something (which I derive from what TaraNari stated; the terrible reviews made him interested), even if it results in gut shaking desire to throttle people or abort their parents for daring to spawn such a drivel spewing chucklehead.

  8. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    Yeah. At a certain point, a review goes from "bad" to "does Poe's Law work in reverse?"- and this crossed into that zone.

    Also: thanks to Frustrated Ego... "It's not murder, it's retroactive abortion!"

    PS- Serious question. *Does* Poe's Law work in reverse?

    Author of Price.
  9. TheAdamBo (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    And for the record, I'm not totally against roasting reviews. Just... do it right. Please. Here's a roast review that I absolutely love reading because it burns the book to a crisp, but does so by actually complaining about real problems, EXPLAINING why the thought they were problems, and did so with genuine wit, not "LOL IMMA @#$% DIS BUUK!"

    https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/335972213?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

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  10. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    Nah, that's more of a negative review. I mean an outright roast- Friars Club style. Potshots at the author's sexuality and allusions of incompetence and corruption. All that good stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJzL7ixtPjc&spfreload=10

    Author of Price.
  11. Chrysalis (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    Look here for some examples of roasting reviews... https://www.amazon.com/ANTIGUA-Land-Fairies-Wizards-Heroes/dp/1425997821

    I agree that in this case (the WFG reviews, not the link) it looks like a personal attack.

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  12. Tartra (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    The reviews are going 0 for 5 right now. I don't think these AREN'T reviews, because they do go into broader strokes than a "fuk dis" spam comment, but the fact that they're so panned is kinda telling. No clue if they should be removed - probably not; don't start a trend because I can see this being turned against a valid but unpopular review - but maybe take the rating off. If NO ONE thinks it's helpful, then it shouldn't have the same impact as someone who half-starred something and constructively said why.

    Throwing that out there 'cause why else do we have that "X many people found this helpful" metric?

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  13. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I think we have that as a means of reviewing a review. Or something.

    But invalidating a score... what about those low/high stars we all get that don't come with any review? Just a click-vote.

    Author of Price.
  14. Tartra (Member)

    Posted 1 year ago

    I feel like if you have no review or a 'helpfulness' rating on your review under a certain threshold, your star should only have half the weight. This is totally my own wild speculation of an idea, not an actual change I'm advocating; I just think the people who've taken the time to write their thoughts out and aren't seen as poo-flinging - or completely gushing, which is unconstructive in the other direction, even if it's very nice - should have more weight behind their stars than the people who missed the mark on what a review is or didn't write one (but are still acknowledged as having voted).

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