Keeping opinions to yourself?

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  1. AdamBolander (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    @Alexander, why? I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with a non-white cast, but the word "diverse" means "showing a great deal of variety; very different." Even if an all-black, etc, cast isn't the norm, it still isn't diverse if its all one skin color or ethnicity.

    Author of The Gray Ranger, The Slayer and The Sphinx, Juryokine, Amber Silverblood, and more! Read for free on http://www.bolanderbooks.com
  2. Dary (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    It's about diversity in the medium as a whole, not diversity in a single work.

  3. AdamBolander (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    But what makes them diverse? There's more to people than their skin color, but the people bragging about how diverse they are, ironically, fail to realize this. If they didn't make it perfectly clear (multiple times) that their characters didn't have white skin, you would never know. Personally, I would rather have a book where everyone looks the same, but thinks, behaves, and believes differently so that we can have a bunch of thought provoking characters that play off each other in interesting ways. But nope, everyone just wants to swap their skin colors and pat themselves on the back.

    Author of The Gray Ranger, The Slayer and The Sphinx, Juryokine, Amber Silverblood, and more! Read for free on http://www.bolanderbooks.com
  4. Dary (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    Because things like the colour of a person's skin can have a massive affect on their identity, the way they interact with the world, and the way the world interacts with them.

  5. AdamBolander (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    That's all completely true. So what's the point if you don't include any of that? Pressing ctrl+f and replacing "white" with "black" is the easiest thing in the world, but these people seem to think they're [insert minority here]'s personal Jesus Christ for doing it.

    Author of The Gray Ranger, The Slayer and The Sphinx, Juryokine, Amber Silverblood, and more! Read for free on http://www.bolanderbooks.com
  6. Alexander.Hollins (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    Adam, because at this point, if you don't make the skin color and background clear, many people default to white. It is a cultural bend to where the white character is the "normal". The entire idea is to fight that "normal".

    If someone is just writing a bunch of cookie cutter characters and saying they have different skin colors, then yes, that is lazy writing. But representation matters. Showing different groups and cultures matters. And "serving the story"... its the difference between porridge and oatmeal cookies. The story is the base. The start. not the end.

    Also, being pedantic on the meaning of diversity is, well... either sealioning or concern trolling. It's pretty much a given that "diversity" when discussing media, means, removing the death grip that white cis hetero culture has on mass media. No one is asking for ALL all white cast media to go away, just to not be so overwhelming a number.

  7. AdamBolander (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    I'm not against diversity, but I firmly believe that the best way to go about is, frankly, to shut up about it. The way people are doing it now, they're shining a spotlight on it like it's some kind of freak show, going "Oooh, aaah, it's so totally not normal, is it?" Diversity will NEVER be normal as long as people keep insisting that it's not. Rather, just make your cast however they need to be, all white, non white, whatever, and let the characters themselves do the talking. Don't go onto forums and yelling like some sideshow barker to "Come one, come all, see the rare and endangered diverse cast!"

    And if you DO make a big deal out of their race, sex, whatever, then keep Chekhov's Gun in mind: don't bring anything to the audience's attention if you don't intend to do something with it.

    Author of The Gray Ranger, The Slayer and The Sphinx, Juryokine, Amber Silverblood, and more! Read for free on http://www.bolanderbooks.com
  8. unice5656 (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    I'm going to be blunt here and say that at this point, you probably should keep your opinions to yourself. Even from the discussion here, I feel that you have problems with clearly communicating your ideas in a balanced and thoughtful manner. You are conflating "bad writing" and "incorporating diversity into writing". You also do not seem to be making an effort to thoroughly understand the points that other people are making, requiring them to make multiple replies to clarify fairly simple points. Real discussions are not about "being right" or "winning", but true communication and exchange of ideas.

    In your original post, you wrote, "At first I hoped that someone who has similar views to mine might decide to look at my stories". There are definitely people who are looking for stories with more diversity in them. People who are not looking for diversity and don't want it shoved in their faces don't need to go to obscure online discussion threads to look for them, since that's what all the mainstream fantasy books already have.

    When you're posting online, especially if you're an online author, everything you post is an example of your writing that people will use to judge whether or not they'd like to read your work. Therefore, be polite, thoughtful, grammatically correct, witty, and reasonably positive when you post (or at least 3/5).

  9. Alexander.Hollins (Member)

    Posted 3 months ago

    "People who are not looking for diversity and don't want it shoved in their faces don't need to go to obscure online discussion threads to look for them, since that's what all the mainstream fantasy books already have."

    Mic drop. The point, in one sentence. Thanks Unice.

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