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  1. Rhodeworks (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago

    Thank you. I apologize for my tone as well. I used Advent purely as an example to demonstrate the size of the communities. It was not meant to be a sort of 'our big fish are good, Wildbow does things The Right Way, their big fish are bad' sort of take. It is not the most scientific of comparisons but the one that immediately came to mind -- comparing what is probably the most voted serial in this community versus a relatively new one over there.

    My problem is with the rule. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a classic letter of the law versus the spirit of it. The stuff about popularity and bigness was just to try and figure out why that rule exists. My criticisms of it in regard to RRL extend to any other fiction I note that, say, links to a subreddit or forum as opposed to a stand-alone site. RoyalRoad is merely the biggest and most obvious and the one where the substance of the argument about community size can be more easily demonstrated.

    (For example, I saw SCP Wiki in the queue -- should that be listed? I'd argue no, for much the same reasons as what I've said).

    And your review is coming. I actually read a few chapters on a bus ride yesterday. But I've had a month or so of woeful productivity and the need to upload six chapters in one week severely cut into my backlog so I need to recover that first.

    Edit: And as you said, I do have 25~ followers on RRL. The jealousy argument seems obvious but it's not like removing them from here would suddenly improve my stats anywhere. I know full well why NAH is a smaller fic, and honestly when I put it on RRL I had no idea of the community's focus. Had I known, I probably wouldn't have. But as it is, I have a small number there and I'm not going to curtain call it. But when I think of hundreds or thousands of fans, I don't think 'hooray' as much as I remember what Herbert said about Paul and the Fremen. I don't want a Rhodeworkian Jihad.

  2. SovereignofAshes (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago


    I understand. Thank you, as well. I shouldn't have gotten defensive with my comments. I shouldn't have used your stories and stuff in examples. I shouldn't have jumped and thought negatively at first blush.

    That is a good point about the SCP Wiki being in the queue. I can understand the letter of the law versus spirit of the law thing. That's the same thing I'm dealing with concerning RRL as well. I just rather have a big community than smaller ones. SCP Wiki, as an argument, I'd say isn't a Web Serial like most stories here or on RRL. SCP belongs to the creepy-pasta genre... But... Damn, it's still technically Web Fiction and this -is- Web Fiction Guide. That's a good example. I have nothing against SCP Wiki or the creepy-pasta genre, but it is different than the typical serial nature that we have established.

    I think, if Chris, Fiona, or anyone else would allow... Maybe starting a full thread about this again. Where everyone brings in their viewpoints. I think we already kind of had one, but... At least then we can hammer out why the rule is there and what ways it can change. I'm sorry for all of my posts here and it taking up any space. If anyone has a spare scalpel or delete button, feel free to go nuts on me.

    I appreciate you looking at my story and giving it a read. If all of this is negative and you sincerely hate my guts now, I understand wanting to get away from that story. You don't have to review it if you don't want. Regardless if you do, maybe a suitable added apology to me jumping off the rails here, I could review your story. Non-negatively of course, and entirely non-reciprocal. I would also post it on RRL if you want.

    If you want me to avoid threads you're in after this, I'll do so. If we can amend things, I'd like that.

    25 isn't bad on RRL. Hell, it took me two years to get to 131, and then I lost one. There's a certain way of doing things on RRL. I don't want to take up space here, but I could PM you, or start a new thread, or something, to mention some ideas. To avoid wasting too much space, but give a bit... There's the Promote Your Fiction thread in the RRL forums. It's good to try that out if you have more than 20 chapters. There's also threads for review swaps, just as there are here. If you can get a review drive on RRL going, you can get bumped into the Trending Fictions list which increases exposure. It's % based on your current reviews, so if you can get a swarm in about a week, you'll get on there and it'll keep feeding your exposure. There's joining a group like WRiTE which gets exposure, and a few other things.

    Unice is also the master of RRL *nudge*

    It also wouldn't hurt if you converted your NAH story to LitRPG =P
    I wouldn't be caught dead; but it would work.

    I have stuff on here too! The Vorrgistadt Saga.
  3. Rhodeworks (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago

    There's nothing to make amends for, trust me. We have differences of opinion but not irreconcilable ones. If you took what you did from my posts when it wasn't my intent, then I wasn't being as precise as I should have been. And if you can't say what you mean, then you can't mean what you say. I'm a teacher at heart and that means I have a certain way of thinking and a certain tone to my words and thoughts. You might think I hate you, but in fact I respect you more, even if I was -- initially, frankly -- bewildered and frustrated. As I imagine you were with me.

    Edit: Funnily enough, one of the first messages I got on RRL was someone asking (in a well meaning fashion) if NAH would have LitRPG elements. And I had a They Live-esque realisation moment. In retrospect, it's really funny.

  4. SovereignofAshes (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago


    Concerning 'They Live,' was it a realization that lots of LitRPG readers are skinless aliens? =P
    Or was the realization more like this:
    I'm still in the throes of the video realization, but more in the, "This is actually a genre?" Well, I'm still like that even reading the works of Chuck Tingle, but... Yeah...

    I understand you come from a background in being a teacher, that's why I appreciate your critical input on stories. Do you find your background to help out a lot with your writing? Are there any habits you see coming out?

    My background was in corporate investigations and then law enforcement for awhile. I did some community outreach and therapy stuff for floundering relationships and suicidal teens. I recently did a stint doing therapy for military and law enforcement personnel, that really hit me hard. So, that's where that ridiculous "shit attitude," thing comes from. I had to say that almost daily to people, lol. Everyone is an individual, but there were a lot of people that only responded to me as a drill-sergeant substitute.

    That's why I like to lurk more than comment. The bad habits I have are to assess patterns of behavior and confront them quickly, often-times assuming the worst. The catch is online, I see patterns but often have no meaningful context due to limitations of the medium (I can't actually sit down and talk with people). That's also where a lot of the miscommunication between us came out. I have to see more the 'spirit of the law' than the 'word of the law' in many instances. If that makes any sense. I often have to be able to go from 0-100 in a second, and alternate hot and cold with some individuals I deal with. I'm still trying to get out of those habits and relax into just... Being a writer, again. Join some writing groups to chill out. That's part of why I'm working on the story that I am, as hard as it is. It's an outlet for a lot of the stuff I saw and dealt with in the past. Hence, the warriors and oracles in the story. I honestly, just want to get back into writing horror, again. My apologies for this coming out on here. I swear though, I'm a cuddly teddy bear when I'm running a game of Dungeons & Dragons, lol.

    Pardon the TMI. I hope your day/night goes well.

    I have stuff on here too! The Vorrgistadt Saga.
  5. unice5656 (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago

    At this point, things are completely off topic so I'll just say that I think it would be reasonable at this point to consider removing the rule against stories hosted exclusively on aggregate sites depending on how that would affect the story composition of the site and workload of those approving the stories.

    As well, I don't claim to be an expert on RRL but I have three fictions in the top 50 Best Rated so yeah if anyone wants tips, feel free to start another thread or email me. Mind you, my approach is strictly from a "more readers/more comments is good" point of view rather than any strategy to make any money off of the whole writing business.

  6. Kraken Attacken (Member)

    Posted 9 months ago

    Well...I feel like I just went from stepping on the occasional eggshell, to running through a field of broken glass with bare feet lol.

    All this has brought me back to the fact that I'm still concerned about the whole quality factor, and how much subjectivity and objectivity goes into giving a story the passing grade to be listed.

    Or maybe I am actually overstepping here...but oh well, while I'm already knee deep in these waters, I'd like to ask about the connectivity between the various web story communities, and more to the point, do the other websites also reference and list WFG stuff?

    I'd like to start a new thread to ask more in-depth questions than these, but I'm just a new fresh tadpole in this massive lake, and thus I am unsure of what to do.

    Writing Fantasy: Welcome to Transcendence - Ongoing
    And Sci-fi:The Ascendant Age - Hiatus
  7. Chris Poirier (Moderator)

    Posted 9 months ago

    Think I'm going to close this thread, as it's gone well off-topic.

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