Penbound - Be a literary sensation


  1. LadyAnder (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Ah so this is yet another innovative writing community that's likely going to find it's way to the writing community graveyard.

    A cross-genre slice=of-life, some adventure fluff fantasy stories about elves-->
  2. SovereignofAshes (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    We've already gotten some witty quips and some solid advice, so I don't see the reason in me being nice with this.

    Penbound (whoever on your team was kind enough to stop by), you seem to have gotten scrambled on something rather important between your second all-organic, vegan-friendly foam, $14 latte and blowing the last bits of your student start-up grant on those awesome, eye-piercing, oh-so-original, vector graphics all over your site. Here is what you got messed up on...

    You think that authors are writers, that writers are people that can type shit, and that anyone who can type shit in this day and age are a dime a dozen. Whereas semi-affluent trust-fund kiddies who just got their MBAs from a business college with an idea of tapping people for a get-rich-quick online pyramid scheme are super-rare diamonds.

    You have it ass-backwards, broseph.

    Authors are people who work their asses off each and every day, often miserably, more often thanklessly. They are creative people who harness the written word to create living personas, deep and rich worlds, to push the boundaries of human creativity, and to inspire others to dream. They are people who pull things from out of nothing and anchor them into people's minds with such force that they can change lives or even society itself. A person who hammers words on a screen is a writer, like every jackhole on buzzfeed. Authors are an entirely different animal.

    College-kiddies with MBAs are the ones who are a dime a dozen. Every entrepreneur with a scheme exists out there somewhere, and honestly people like Steve Jobs are assholes. Business hurts art. It never helps it. So, all I can see are two outcomes for your little project here.

    Option 1) You re-assess the scarcity versus demand model of your project. Realize you aren't the one who is scarce and in demand. What is in demand are good authors and a bunch of unpaid business school interns getting them lattes and kissing their feet to earn a place as their eventual publishing team.

    Option 2) You decide to pay off your student loan, or your hipster loft apartment bills by getting a real job and putting in a real 8-12 hour day like real people. You know, instead of being a parasite and trying to make other people do work for you and further diminish the importance of the written word/creativity in this hell-hole of a world that you and your effluent ilk have made thus far. Flip a damn burger, earn a real paycheque, and leave the starving artists alone.

    We -- authors -- already get screwed in the ass enough by your talent-less, creative-less, type. Every outlet we try to get our stuff out to an audience, one of you is sitting there with another pyramid scheme to milk us dry. From Amazon, to Wattpad; from FanStory to Smashwords; from Jukepop to Radish; Inkitt to... Hell even Patreon does it. It's been done to death. Let's try something new. Let's try helping the authors rather than exploiting them. You know, something that has never been done before!

    Until then, all I can say is... You know where to shove your pyramid scheme. Wide point first and remember to clench hard, you'll enjoy it more that way.

    I have stuff on here too! The Vorrgistadt Saga.
  3. Chris Poirier (Moderator)

    Posted 2 years ago

    I'm afraid our friendly neighbourhood spammer won't be continuing in this conversation. I have banned him.

  4. Psycho Gecko (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Well darn, everyone else got their knocks in before I showed up, and now the person can't respond anyway.

    I don't know about Sovereign, but I'm certainly a hack. I mean, I'm miserable and don't get thanked, but I'm not that good. I don't even get all these spam offers the others keep talking about. Well, if you put me on Reddit, I'm a fucking Greek hermaphrodite Muse writing upon the skin of a titan I slew with nothing but a pen forged from the bones of Saturn. But Reddit's a low standard.

    Still, I don't really like things where someone has to pay to read my stuff online. Admittedly, this helps people to understand why I'm not rich. I really don't care to try and read things where I have to pay to read them unless I have no choice. I also really dislike all these apps. I'm not anti-app, but I'm anti-app-exclusivity. Which is why I'm now offering the ability for people to read my comments on this forum, but only if they sign up for the Psycho Gecko Forum app. It only works if you're in a place that can maintain an internet connection, so if you want to download things to read later, then fuck you.

    In a slightly more serious sense, you may have gathered that your choice to use the word "pyramid," was a bad one. Please reflect on this while enjoying some calm, soothing music:

    Congratulations on graduating. I don't know what goes into an MBA, though I have a natural dislike of people who have them. I don't know if you actually have one, but I understand you're likely strapped for cash. Good luck. You're not going to find much messing around with us. Web fiction doesn't really have that scarce of a product unless you really prefer one person's take on it. Compare to, say, a play. Hamilton can be such a money maker because it is, by nature of its performance, limited in the number of people who can enjoy it. You just don't see that with web serials, nor would artificially creating it work. Books are also limited in that you can't read one unless you own a copy. Except this is the internet, and we've already posted copies. We aren't restricting our audience just to whoever buys a copy.

    It's a horrible business model, I know. That's part of why I didn't want to do it originally. It isn't helped when someone doesn't even bother to capitalize on it, true, but that's on the author.

    Anyway, good luck in the economy, and perhaps give some of us around here a read. I know that's asking a bit, because you're no-doubt overwhelmed by the warm welcome you received, but you might find something to entertain yourself.

    And stop trying to tempt an audience from Wildbow. That's my schtick. Hands off. I don't like other people touching my schtick.

  5. mooderino (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    You guys are so mean. I want to be a literary sensation. Now what will I do?

  6. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Well, you can always start a cult. That seems popular.

    Author of Price.
  7. mooderino (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Are you accusing Wildbow's readers of being a cult? Because that is an outrageous slur. You should apologise.

  8. SovereignofAshes (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Be careful with the Wildbow stuff, as Psycho Gecko just mentioned his schtick. We all know what happens when people touch his schtick...
    The thread gets derailed by obstructive tumescence. ^_^

    I have stuff on here too! The Vorrgistadt Saga.
  9. Psycho Gecko (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    I believe the cult and literary success reference had more to do with brainwashed alien spirits possessing people to make their lives worse. Or possibly Scott Adams. Either way, not an accusation made towards Worm's readership.

    As for Sovereign, get your mind out of the gutter. I haven't been this surprised at people's Freudian commentary since seeing people's reactions to the music video "Evil Boy" by Die Antwoord. They're just trees, people!

  10. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Nah, nothing to do with Wildbow, or Scott Adams for that matter... unless one of them proclaimed themselves to be the Messiah at some point and nobody bothered to tell me. Seems like something I'd have heard about, though.

    I'm just noting a significant pattern of fiction writers starting religious movements. I can think of six of them in North America that are less than a century old, and dozens more if we expand into world history. Some are pretty widespread.

    And that's without counting some of the shit that, to my knowledge, exists only on the internet.

    Author of Price.
  11. ScreamingCandle (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    Wait! @TanaNari, are you telling me that the Church of the Sub Genius is NOT a real church? But I have faith in BOB and SLACK!!! My Tee time is RESERVED!!!!!!!!

    "It is not important what you do, but it is critically important that you do it." - Terrence McKenna
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  12. TanaNari (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    No, no, a thousand times no. I would never even dare to think such blasphemy. Except Tuesdays. Tuesdays are my 'me' days.

    Author of Price.
  13. Maromar (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    This reeks of shame and vocational school. Easily, they could have designed a forum a la Sufficient Velocity, and ran contest runs alongside open display for any author willing to share, little ad thingies could be crammed into the margins of the site. Premium benefits like shiney nameplates and custom emotes/ ad space could be offered for a low costing monthly subscription; it would be fine.

    The audience would come in, much like the fictionpress audience, perhaps moreso if there was a cadre of story approvers to ensure some aspect minimum quality. Over time, they'd make some revenue if the winds favored them.

    I have no idea why anyone would waste their time and effort shooting themselves in the legs so many time, only to ask their (often starving) neighbors to foot the bill...

    The first step to becoming a hero is being mulched by a truck:
  14. Alexander.Hollins (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    revfitz (Member)
    Posted 4 days ago

    A scheme with a pyramid? Why, that's very disarming and can't possibly go wrong!

    Cmon! its not pharaoh to them to lump them in a group like that!

  15. revfitz (Member)

    Posted 2 years ago

    You sir are very punny :D

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