So, about Ms. Harris

9 years ago | MrOsterman (Member)

First a little reading if you're not familiar:

TLDNR version:

Someone revealed the conclusion Harris's Southern Vampire series to the Innerwebs and the Innerwebs went bat-Crap-Crazy about it. On top of it they started slamming on her for giving them the "wrong" ending, and how she owed it to her readers to end the series a different way.

What's everyone's thoughts?

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  1. Amy Kim Kibuishi (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    Wow I agree with Neil Gaiman 1000%. I haven't read any of the latest Sookie Stackhouse novels, but I think I'm going to buy a copy of the last book May 7th, just 'cause. That sucks for everyone, readers and writer alike.

  2. casanders (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    That makes me so sad, and a little bit scared. Death threats are scary. "Misery" was scary. Salman Rushdie had to hide for years because his novel had Muhammad in it. People forget that these are OUR creations and they are just along for the ride. If they don't like the ending, write some fan fiction and change it.

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  3. MrOsterman (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    I'm still trying to sort out "But we demand a better ending" part.

    I mean, really? You ~demand~?

    I hate a lack of resolution as much as the next "man life sucks" old fart. You kids can have your "deep meaning" and "ends with an existential crisis". I've had my share; give me an ending that makes me feel like life's still worth living, ya know? It's why I have such a love/ hate with Jos Whedon for the stuff he pulls. But that's just my preference. You don't ~have~ to give me an ending I like. I just ~want~ you to.

    And if you don't, well, I won't like your stuff, and that's that.

    But to go on a tear about what I'm entitled to? About how I should get what I want because I want it? Good Golly Miss Molly Ringwald.


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  4. ubersoft (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    Yeah, this is nuts. It's her fucking book! If they don't like it they should write their own.

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  5. Kess (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    It's a whole world of STFU and get the hell of my lawn. I love that people get so involved with fiction; I hate that they take it too far and abuse those who give them such gifts.

    I'll probably be more spammy about this on my blog at some point.

  6. SgL (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    That's the risk with cultivating shipping fandoms.... when the entire story is built on that it can blow up in your face.

    I've had people get pissed at me for writing fanfiction or drawing fanart. I still fondly remember getting scolded by a 13 year old girl for one pairing and then having someone slam down a print at a convention for another. More or less, I think it's amazing how much power those fans gave me considering there is nothing holding them back from turning around and applying themselves to express their point of view in rebuttal. (And honestly, I must have been doing something well enough to be that threatening.)

    "Write your own" is a good respo9nse to these upset fans... fanfiction and fanart has been used by fandoms before them. Why this group has to add death threats to the mix is distasteful.

  7. NaomiL (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    I've been very unhappy with how a series ends, for instance the last Hunger Games book, deeply, deeply dislike it and it kind of ruined the series for me. Until I read that book I honestly never understood how one book could ruin an entire series for a person, though I'd heard other people say it. Then I read Hunger Games and I got it. But even though I deeply disliked that book I wouldn't go on and say she had no right to write it. She had every right to write whatever she wanted. If someone writes something you don't like, the result shouldn't be 'you cheated us' or 'you lied to us'. The result with the Hunger Games writer is that I am now much less likely to read anything else she wrote, because I no longer trust her to end her series in a way I consider satisfactory. But I acknowledge this is personal preference and *not* that she somehow betrayed some unspoken agreement between us.

    After reading the blog post you linked I admit I had to look up to see what the spoiler was everyone was so unhappy about. And I admit, as a fan of ship that got sunk I'm disappointed that's what I have to look forward (I’m still back in book seven, so granted I don’t have quite all the context). I think as a disappointed fan of a book you can say you don’t like the end. You can even explain why you feel the end did not make sense or didn’t fit with what came before. I’m not even saying you shouldn’t warn others off it if someone asks you for a recommendation. But attacking the writer and pretending that somehow they had owed you a different ending *shakes head*. There’s never any guarantees about a book’s or a series’ ending. And not everyone is going to be happy. And the readers that are claiming she strung along a pairing just to make money….that’s absurd. By that logic she wouldn’t have ended the series with them together.

    Basically everyone has a right to write the story the way they want to. Now you can sort of lie or cheat your readers. For instance if in the last Harry Potter book Harry had woken up in the cupboard under the stairs and the whole thing had been a dream (a scenario I’ve heard people jokingly suggest) then…yeah…that might have been a little unfair to the readers and a lot of people would have gotten angry. If you built a series around this entire world and then in the last book pulled the world out from under and said it never existed…well it would be a rotten ending and readers would claim they’d been misled. This would not make it any less J K Rowling’s right to write said story however. But I do think there is misleading readers so you can pull out a clever twist later, and there is just plain lying to readers. However hearing about some of the posts on the Sookie Stackhouse Author’s facebook page that is unacceptable. A bad review for a book is one thing, directly address an author with foul language and saying things that shouldn’t be said to anyone, that is completely different. Nothing justifies that behavior. Even if Sookie had cast a magic spell to turn herself into a bunny rabbit and then gone on a rampage, killing every other character in the book because they had eaten all the carrots, that would not justify the things people are saying.

    There’s expressing your disappointment for a book, and then there’s flaming and abuse.

    I've also seen the argument when it comes to the Sookie books that because readers bought all the previous books they've somehow 'invested' in the series, this seems very weak. You don't 'invest' in a book, or buying a book doesn't give you some future right to the series because the book you just bought wasn't enough. You buy the book, and assuming you like it, you get enjoyment and pleasure from reading it. Speaking as a reader here, and not as a writer, as far as I'm concerned the writer of the book has already given me more then enough for money. I don't expect them to then proceed to give me some say in their future books.

  8. NaomiL (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    After thinking about this again, it pretty much seems to me to just be an extension of the same feeling of entitlement that some fans feel about any famous person be it actor or singer. I know I’ve seen a lot of posts online about celebrities where someone has said something along the lines of ‘His fans made him famous, so he owes us _____’ (insert whatever it is the poster feels they are owed, be it signing autographs, taking pictures or making a certain kind of movie). An extension of this attitude is the whole ‘role model’ argument. ‘Miley Cyrus is largely popular with young girls…therefore she owes it to them to behave in a certain way because they made her famous and now she's their role model’.

    Saying Charlaine Harris or any writer *owes* it to fans to write her story in a certain direction follows the same logic and can probably be attributed to the same source, and in both cases, it’s absurd.

  9. Psycho Gecko (Member)

    Posted 9 years ago

    Endings are a tough part. If readers get emotionally invested enough in a work, then of course they're going to rail somewhat against an ending, especially one they feel is unsatisfactory. That's not to say they get a spot in the writing process, but they can always go back and make their own fanfic about things.

    I know Stephen King did his best to get away from dealing with the ending of his drawn out Dark Tower series by trying to drop the anvil that the journey, the story, is more important than the ending. But still, the ending means a lot to people because it is the ending.

    Man, I'm glad they weren't doing all that when she visited her old college. OOC was too busy messing around with City of Heroes to walk over and get a book signed, but then again, neither he nor I read it or even watch True Blood anymore.


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