1. SgL (Member)

    Posted 8 years ago

    If it's helpful to know - since the last post, here's where I stand

    * Now updating weekly alongside website
    * Overall reads (sum total of all installment reads): 14466 reads [Not sure if this includes reads for a deleted preamble]
    * First chapter read: 2376
    * Second to last installment: 137 reads
    * Last installment (updated Monday at 12amish): 71 reads

    Yeah 71/2376 is kind of a sucky percentage, but actually I take it with a grain of salt. I've been watching Google analytics on my website too and have a good sense that you lose a lot of people after the first few installments.

    Wattpad is still better in the sense that I can also figure out if some people are simply saving the "books for later reading" or not. It's not a high percentage of folks that do, but they do exist.

    Anyways, the important part for me is the reads on the latest updates. At one point I was going to either stop or just slow up the updates, but I kept experimenting with posting. Actually by updating more frequently and then wandering in and out of the forums, I found a few more readers. At least it appears I've managed to double what I had a few months ago, and I hope to keep doubling ...

    OVerall, I like Wattpad. They are highly aggressive at marketing. Compared to all the other aggregation sites I see -- all the webserial sites I've looked at attempting to launch, they're the most savvy and have the most capital to do this.

  2. Shutsumon (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I've been posting installments of Haventon on Wattpad for the past three Sundays and here's what I've found.

    When I spend a portion of my free time on interacting with the community I get reads and even occassional fans. When I don't nothing happens. From this I assume that until you gain enough popularity to become visible (I think this means top 100) you have to spend time on it.

    Today I had a bit of luck. I found a reasonable vampire/paranormal on there. It wasn't perfect by a long shot, a developmental editor would likely tear it apart but in spite of its manifest flaws it was an enjoyable read, so I left a comment and fanned the author to keep up with the sequel. The author gave me a reciprocal read, left me a raving comment (any comment that contains "There are no errors to report. Perfect is a word I hesitate to use on any story but this one!" qualifies as raving, I think.), fanned me and broadcast a rec to her 150+ fans. Hopefully that will give me a bit of a boost.


  3. Tenebrous (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I appreciate y'all doing the hard work on this. It's good to know that if you don't reach the top 100, you're invisible. That's disappointing. It seems that most communities pimp the poop out of the "top" people, whomever they are, and everyone else gets jack. -- DMIC (superhero?), Summer Ends in August (coming of age), Lonely Planets (gothic SF)
  4. Wildbow (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I may be biased, as I'm doing rather well on Webfictionguide (I think 3rd most popular when you click on popular, then 'full list'?), but isn't that the objective of a site like Wattpad or Webfictionguide, to direct people to content worth checking out?

    Webfictionguide, at least, seems to have members/editors dedicated to reviewing newer entries. I think this can do a lot for those who get off to a good start, but if you miss that initial wave, it might be hard to get attention thereafter.

    Consistent good writing, though, IMPO, will eventually get anyone recognized.

  5. Tim Sevenhuysen (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Good writing + networking/self-promotion + luck...

    Special People: superhero fiction with a fistful of twists.
  6. Miladysa (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I agree with Tim, you've got to work it.

    There are some fantastic reads here at WFG that do not appear in the "most popular" and some of those never have.

  7. Wildbow (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Ok, I'll concede that Tim has it right. I did touch on luck (getting sufficient attention at the right time), but yeah, you do have to put yourself out there. If you don't let people know your story exists, they can't do anything about that. I didn't mean to imply that good writing was the be-all and end-all, though I can see how I came across that way.

  8. Tenebrous (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    If you have to be in the top 100 to even be noticed, Wattpad's community is failing its membership in a big way. It fails its members because it treats them like they don't exist, as if they were not part of the community. To be fair to them, it should purge all non-top-100 writers and their series, because they don't matter anyways. But doing this would break the financial model (because it would seriously constrain the hype machine), wouldn't it? I'd bet so.

    Anyhow, one more exploitative webfic 'community' avoided. Thanks again for the public service! -- DMIC (superhero?), Summer Ends in August (coming of age), Lonely Planets (gothic SF)
  9. Shutsumon (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Oh no! People have misunderstood what I meant!

    When I said invisible I didn't mean they don't list them anywhere I mean people are much less likely to stumble across them by accident if they are searching by Hotness - which is the default. You can also search by Newness, All Time, Comments, Undiscovered, Popularity, Completed and Random. There are members of the community who make it their mission to greet newcomers and discover undicovered gems but most people use hotness.

    The rankings are based on the Hotness setting because they aren't dependent on popularity but - so far as I can tel - how much the readers you do have like it. From what I can tell the algorithm uses the ratio of recent comments and votes to reads to set your rankings. Also when I said top 100 I meant in the genre listings not over all.

    So for example if you look at the first page of paranormal results (the top 15) you'll see most of them have epic numbers of reads and votes but scroll down to number 13 and you'll see the story there - as of this minute - is sitting at 645 reads - 41 votes - 39 comments. My own story is currently sitting at Paranormal #44 / Vampire #54 with 160 reads 23 votes and 18 comments.

    And hotness changes - if a story doesn't have any reads or votes in a day it'll lose ranking quite quickly. There's a lot of churn - so they couldn't just purge anything but the top 100 in each category because what's hot today might not be hot tomorrow.

    Sure you have to engage with the community a bit to find initial readers but if you can get a few people to look at your stuff and they like it enough to vote and comment you break the genre top 100 pretty easily and then you get seen more. The really encourage community participation that's why this is going on at the moment!++Participate+to+Promote so it's unfair to say they do nothing for most users.


  10. SgL (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Wattpad I think also has some kind of hidden trigger whereby activity might push your story into some of the randomly featured listings.

    I'm not sure why folks though are so disinclined to try it out though. If one of your aims is to find readers, having the ability to try to carve out some small piece of 1+ million new readers is nothing to sneeze at. The investment of venture capital into this company by firms that previously invested in Facebook is nothing to ignore either.

    At least unlike some of the other sites I see popping up around "internet fiction" the terms of use are pretty standard. There is never really any ownership claim on your work and the Wattpad staff are highly supportive and even willing to blog about your work should you elect to turn it into an eBook. (Granted, I don't know what percentage of people do go the print route, so that may be something of a novelty with that community.)

    Anyways, blathering. Wattpad works well for me because without doing anything I still find 1-2 readers every week, on average.

    But for the new folks on board, if you missed the Webfiction World podcast with Nina Lassam, you should check it out.

  11. ubersoft (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Are there going to be any more podcasts, by the way? It's been silent for two months...

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  12. SgL (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    Yeah, I dunno. I suppose we could poke AM and Greg about it on Twitter. I'd like to see them do some follow-up on some ideas we kicked their way about kickstarting and ebooks and all that.

  13. Jim Zoetewey (Moderator)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I follow the show's page on Facebook, and it sounds like they're having difficulty scheduling the episode.

  14. David Hill Burns (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I set myself up on wattpad last week. It automatically gives you two reads (at least that's what it appears to be doing) per chapter. I'm not complaining, but I'm not sure what the point is. My complaint is that neither of my serials fit into one of their genres. They are not sci-fi, ya, paranormal, vamp,etc. They are straight, literary, adult fiction. One could be tagged as humor, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a comedy. The other could be tagged as urban fiction, but that's not a category on the site. So I have to categorize them as "non-teen fiction" and "other". I feel like I would get more reads if I had a clear category on their site.

    They rank you within a category as well, which might give you a better chance of visibility.

  15. ubersoft (Member)

    Posted 7 years ago

    I noticed that as well, David. I think one of the reads is you hitting the page immediately after it goes live. I don't know what the second one is.

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