Patreon

Hi peeps,


So today I've discovered this site called Patreon http://www.patreon.com/about which looks like it might be useful for us weblit writers. Most of the hype says its for Youtube creators but a quick mooch at the site indicates its for any regular content creators including writers and webcomic creators. Here's a video about it http://youtu.be/OTQ8zMH35wc


The idea is that people back you for an amount for each piece of content you create.



What do peeps think? Good idea? What perks could I go for?


Becka


*head explodes*


Is that a good head explosion or a bad head explosion?


That's good! I am fascinated! Will it take off? What a great notion! Marketer is dancing. Lol. :)


Yeah, it's really interesting and I hope it succeeds. If it will take off or not remains to be seen though with all the publicity it's getting it's off to a good start.


And it certainly seems to be working great for some people already http://www.patreon.com/natalydawn?u=30561


And not so much for others http://www.patreon.com/sunmoonnstars (like all these things you need a crowd). And it's interesting to see that you can apparently have subscription levels of less than $1/item because my installments are quite short so smaller options might make sense.


I love all these new models that are coming out. Such an exciting time.


It's an interesting system... I hope it takes off because I do think/hope for some way to reward the content creators who produce work of high quality. But I do wonder what happens if people complain that the updates aren't worth the pledge. I'm kind of wondering if the platform Patreon will be as handsoff as Kickstarter in dealing with conflict between creator and patron. Do they hold money in escrow? Do they immediately side with the consumer? In which case they get the extra content but cancel afterwards with the creator losing out?


As for your questions on reward levels -- do they have to be consistent month to month?


As a reader - I might subscribe if I knew i got really good sidestory or special short story (unrelated to whatever I'm looking at from that author) . However, not every author I Read is one I'd go that extra mile for. Honestly - this is where I think it'd be gamble for a lot of authors.


(Bloggers I feel differently about. Like if one of my favorite book designers/bloggers offered this model, I'd probalby subscribe for the extra content, tools, etc. He has aconsistent track record of coming up with stuff I hadn't known would be useful until he talked about it.)


As someone who LOVES art, I might be willing to move to an incremental small donation scheme for access to hi-res monthly prints, stickers or something visual. But I haven't seen huge success with this for webcomics so don't know it's worth it for writer/artists.


On the other hand -- if these translated from digital to physical (i.e., stickers, bookmarks) maybe... but I'd have to really love that artist.


The questions about conflict between patron and creator are worth investigating, though I imagine subscribers will mostly be established fans so hopefully not such a risk. And yes I agree that it's a gamble but pretty much everything is.


SgL, regarding your concerns about users pledging for rewards / content and then canceling their pledge before the end of the month!


Patreon was definitely built around the idea of users giving out of good will, so the first inclination is simply that if a user pledges and then pulls out prior to processing their card/payment-info, that's ok, since they had a change of heart in giving and they were never under any obligation to give!


But it definitely becomes a concern when creators offer out a reward that costs them something up-front. Since once we process the payments at the end of month we definitely have the funds, creators can rest assured that at that point, they can offer out the rewards to everyone whose payment has been processed. On the "patron manager" available to creators on their profile page, you'll be able to see all the payments and the total payment amount processed.


Beyond that, we should be able to deal with any conflicts AFTER payments are charged on a case by case basis!


Cheers,

Sam


That pretty much is what I thought. :-) I probably wouldn't give out anything perkwise that I wasn't willing to lose until each month's payments were in. But then most people are trustworthy and fans won't generally screw you over so it shouldn't be a huge issue. I'm with Amanda Palmer on this - sometimes we just have to trust people.


Has anyone tried this any to see how it works out? And does anyone know if offering perks is required?


Alexandra Erin is. You'll have to search her dreamwidth journal for an idea of how it's going. Last I read she had a target of a 100 a month but don't know if she yet met it.


She does offer something extra to Patreon folks but can't recall if it was some additional blogs/newsletters on something in development versus stories.


patreon has suddenly exploded. The last about 3 weeks ive seen LOTS of creators I know getting pat accounts mostly because of fan request.


So, I know this post is kinda old, but I just have to say this:

I started using Patreon, and I really like the subscribing setup of it. I don't plan on getting any donations, but the setup was good, regardless. Also, it could be an interesting way to gain a (very very very very very very very very very) small audience boost.

Link to I Am the Devil page: http://www.patreon.com/alexdavidson


I signed up for Patreon a few weeks ago. I haven't actually offered any goals or incentives, but I'm doing ok:


http://www.patreon.com/Wildbow


I've wondered out loud in the comment section of my serial about whether I'd shot myself in the foot by going with Patreon. Yes, the steady income is nice (presumably - I haven't received the cheque with last month's earnings) but I think impulse donations do better for me.


Without Patreon: People read a great chapter, get pumped, really thrilled, and drop a $20-50 donation. They maybe do the same thing later in the month.


With Patreon: People sign up, they weigh the pros and cons & whether they'll have enough money next month, and the offer something conservative. They then read a great chapter, get pumped, thrilled, psyched, and then they think, "I'm signed up on Patreon, that's $10 a month I'm giving right there, why donate?"


I dunno. But last month, where I signed up for Patreon, I did less well financially than I've done since September. Hard to tell how much of that is the late Worm readers trailing off and how much is the new finances, but yeah.


I know some of my webcomic friends are super excited about this and I think it's very smart to hop onto the kickstarter indy web art movement thingy, but I do wonder if it's better to have donations be more spontaneous like Wildbow mentioned. I'll be keeping my eye on this.


Also apparently they offer direct deposit now, FYI. I dunno if they offered it before but some artists on my twitter feed talked about it as if it was a new feature?