Writing Groups

Hi Everyone!

Who all is in a writing group? I ask because I think having one is incredibly important. I actually do consider this community a large writing group, but having a smaller group where everyone can accurately critique is a huge benefit.

Some folks have in-person writing groups. I know Brandon Sanderson does. However, a large number of people (like me) have virtual writing groups.

I am the leader of a group on RRL, LitRPG Society.The group is composed of LitRPG web serials. Some of us have our own websites, some of us don't. http://forum.royalroadl.com/showthread.php?tid=83267

I'm extremely proud of the fact that we have 5 best selling writers in the group. Also, Unbound Deathlord: Challenge goes on sale tomorrow, and I'm super stoked about that too! I'm hoping that Edward kills it in the next few weeks.

A few of us are publishing sequels and we should have a few more first books next year, too.

Anyway, I've gotten a ton of great advice and given a few bits myself in my group. I think one way my group is most helpful is how it's organized around a single genre. We have a certain amount of trade info passed along, but also cultivate some brand recognition among readers.

I'm also part of a group on FB, as well as several larger FB groups around the genre I write in. I like to post in a few general writing FB groups too, and here as well (obviously).

So anyway, how many in the larger community here have a writing group? Is it helpful for you?

I have thought about having a writing group many times before, and I hit the big obstacle of "time."

Having to pay attention to one more thing while being an indie author, and a web serial novelist to boot can be tough.

However, some other writers who can analyze a book with an author view instead of a reader should work wonders to improve the quality of anything I write and my skills.

If anyone does have a writing group, could you tell us how's exactly does it work? I'm really curious.

Especially now that Unbound Deathlord is coming out soon; I know I'll be criticized for things I cannot even imagine and improving my skills is an obvious path.

Hey Blaise!

This is actually my first post on WFG so I apologize if I'm breaking any conventions or rules, however, I really wanted to reply to this post because I agree completely with the idea of having smaller writing groups. They're important for nurturing talent or sharing industry info but, more importantly, I think they're a really nice way to orient yourself while writing, and motivating yourself to keep going once the initial euphoria of starting your own story dies down.

(You already know this but for other people here) I am one of the leaders of "Writers to the End" on RRl, and I have to say that it's been an absolutely amazing experience thus far. Although we're a little wild and crazy (and there isn't a lot of critique going around unless you explicitly ask for it) I personally believe that our group's focus on getting webnovelists to fulfill the promise they've made with their readers (and themselves) and finishing their stories, is a slightly unusual one for writing groups to have. Nonetheless, I think it's a wonderful place to cultivate your interest in writing so if any of you are interested, please don't hesitate to drop by our chatango and say hi. http://writerstotheend.chatango.com/

Other than that, I've been a part of in-person writing groups but I'd only recommend them to people who are completely dedicated to writing AND have the time to be fully invested in other people's work. However, real life friends are important and having some who share your interests is always fun so definitely look for an in-person writing group (or found one yourself) if you want to!

So yeah, hello WFG! ^_^

Congrats to EC. It looks like his book just went live today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M35IA2M

I've got an in-person accountability group for writing. Considering that I doubt I would've gotten my last update out without them, I'm incredibly grateful they're around.

Blaise, what's going on in your RRL group? What do you do to help each other? Or is it just a fun place to chat instead of getting into the brass tacks?

@Tartra there are different levels of involvement among participants. Basically, I have a few chat rooms for people to talk in, we have a private forum, and I have the page I just linked (which helps a lot with web serial cross promotion).

The chat and forum helps members ask questions, especially around publishing. We exchange resources and referrals for editors etc. We also give critiques and advice.

Lastly, we've instituted an SOP that each published book cross promotes other authors in the group. This is really helpful for genre and author brand awareness.

Since LitRPG is a new genre, we're not only working on our own success, but also to promote the genre itself and hopefully get Amazon to add it to their genre list.

As for brass tacks, several of us share our sales numbers as well as different promotion vectors we've used, including ROI. All the data has helped me enormously. Since we all write in the same genre, most of the same promotion strategies can be shared and will work for other writers in the group too.

@Blaise Darn. I think that kind of group's too far down the road for me. I'll swing by once I'm at that point, though!

My pen name is my first writing group, Leaking pen. it disbanded a long time ago, but we had a few members, some good back and forth.

right now I have a couple peers, and im part of a writing group that is aimed at Stormy's Require: Cookie mostly.

I do think having a small group of UNlikeminded writers is good. Have a romance writer, a hard sf writer, a fantasy writer, and a couple mulitgenre. they all have interesting viewpoints when editing.

I really really wish I was part of any writing groups, IRL or online. There aren't many where I live, and most of those are for Afrikaans. I'd join yours if I could, Blaise, but I've not got a LitRPG serial.

Actually does anyone here have a nice suggestion for a writing group?

@GR One reason I post on RoyalRoad is for the community. As a shout out, FrustratedEgo has been notably helpful and informative for new writers there.

If you are on RRL, you can join WriTE or Scribble, two semi-official groups that you can join immediately.

Scribble focuses on writing techniques and structure. WriTE focuses on community and support (to Write to the End).

Another thing you could do (and anyone reading this who doesn't have a group) is to get on Facebook and join a writing group. Most of them are fairly large with a few thousand members, but you can get great feedback from posting as well as look for a smaller, more targeted group of other writers who are looking for that kind of more personal feedback.

I do have a RRL account. Not used much tho.

How do you join WriTE? SOunds like the type of thing I need :-)

I'm gonna ping a WriTE person to stop by and give the skinny. :)

@GR Hey! We'd love to have you! If you're interested in joining WriTE, just post in this thread: http://forum.royalroadl.com/showthread.php?tid=66000

and I'll add you to the list. You can join even if you don't have a fiction on rrl, but we won't be able to add it to the fiction list on rrl (we'll be reworking it soon anyways.)

But first, you should drop by the chat and see if you like the community: http://writerstotheend.chatango.com/

Also, we're currently working on improving WriTE as a group so don't be shy and tell us what you think about the group as it stands and which direction we should take in the future.

Thanks for the interest! (and thanks BC for pinging me)

Ah awesome dude, thx

You're right Blaise, I have to agree that having a writing group is really important not just for a starting author, but also for established ones as well. For beginning writers, it's a great way to learn the ins and outs of the industry from other people who might be more experienced. It's a great way to boost confidence and get some outside input/critique on your work so you don't develop any bad habits that might hurt you later on. For more established writers it's a great way to network, help out newer writers, see new ideas forming, and also helps with the occasional popping of the ego that some big-name writers can develop over time.

In-person writing groups are good, as it can get some of the more introverted authors out of the house now and then, despite the huge desire to lock oneself away in a dark area lit only by monitors filled with manuscripts. Virtual or online writing groups are great as they bring diverse people together who can help one another. You get more variety and can see things beyond the local scale, which an in-person writing club is usually limited to.

Personally, I've been on the search for a writing group, myself. That was the lure that brought me here to WFG and other sites like RRL. A chance to talk with, learn from, help, and grow with other like-minded or differently-minded authors out there. I've always been a fan of "I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine" as well as "pay it forward" and really wanted to learn the industry from others willing to teach.

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Who Cares actually made WRiTE sound awesome. I'll swing by when I can.

@Tarta They're really a friendly group! That said, I have a feeling they may challenge my group soon... *menacingly shakes a stick*.

WriTE and Scribble just had a duel where 3 writers from each group wrote a short story based on an image provided for the contest. The entries were then judged to declare a winner.

It was fun to watch. I think it'd be fun for writers here to do things like that too. I've participated in something similar recently, and it's great practice as well as a way to make new friends.

I think writing groups are an important part of being a writer - if you can find the right one.

A lot of people in the creative community seem to be introverts, so I think online writing groups are a great alternative for people who aren't comfortable getting together with people IRL. Or if your genre would raise eyebrows in your area (like mine would.)

Personally, I'm in The Order of Phantasmal Architects on RoyalRoadL. Our group started as a way to find, display, cross-promote, and in-house critique fictions that are atypical to RRL - or written atypically - and are "quality" (read: more polished than average work on RRL.) In-house critiques and review swaps are kind of on the backburner right now since most of us are busy writing or editing, but we still chat, throw ideas around, or ask each other for advice/opinions.

As RRL's fiction pool becomes diverse, TOPA's requirements will probably shift as well. Over the past year we've already seen RRL grow in many ways, including the founding of more groups, so it's just a matter of time.

TOPA's info, fiction list, application queue, etc. can be found here - http://forum.royalroadl.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5354

WriTE and Scribble just had a duel where 3 writers from each group wrote a short story based on an image provided for the contest. The entries were then judged to declare a winner.

awesome! The forums over at giantitp.com (home of order of the stick webcomic) do an iron poet thats just like that, only single elimination poetry tournament.